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Forum - Your Videos - Death by Jelly - scene 1 WIP - Messages http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic3611-death-by-jelly--scene-1-wip.aspx Forum - Your Videos - Death by Jelly - scene 1 WIP - Messages en-us http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Jitbit AspNetForum Tue, 27 May 2014 17:19:46 GMT Tue, 27 May 2014 17:19:46 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic3611-death-by-jelly--scene-1-wip.aspx Message from mos6507
Even Plotagon, which isn't even a year out of the starting gate, is refactoring to mobile in an effort that smells of "Plan B".

Making truly cutting edge and useful machinima software is not easy to do on a shoestring. And all you need to do is compare the existing offerings to today's commercial games and you can see how far off the mark they are in almost every category.

(For example, go to youtube and search for Vindictus Character Creation if you want to really despair over the sorry state of machinima programs compared to today's games, and Vindictus came out 4 years ago)

Games are getting more and more cinematic while simultaneously not letting you drive them as machinima software. Fluidity of movement, physics, lipsync, destructible environments, it's all coming together. Why? Because that's where the money is. It's just that all of the R&D money is going into games and nothing filters over into machinima.

So the engines (Unreal or whatever) aren't the problem. It's having the resources to build a tool on top of it.]]> Tue, 27 May 2014 17:19:46 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic3611-death-by-jelly--scene-1-wip.aspx Message from urbanlamb
I now have two projects i am working on in iclone but there will be no visible movement for a long time one is bordering on insane the other one is not so insane :/

plus I have a third that i am writing the screenplay for but its slow because i keep getting blocks and have to sit and wait till my mind comes up with a solution and 'unblocks'. (this is an age thing if i were 20 it would have been done 5 times over by now lol)

I know likely what muvizu's original intent was unfortunately the market is too wide and varied for that and so they moved onto plan B which I think is doable. We shall see meanwhile one day I may get round to putting things up for sale on iclone or something i dunno since they are so open ended I feel less inclined to share anything and keep it all "custom" i posted a photo once of a half rigged character once on this forum there are others now.

]]> Tue, 20 May 2014 22:45:11 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic3611-death-by-jelly--scene-1-wip.aspx Message from toonarama
But when iclone made it possible to import and animate any properly rigged characters this changed everything. Now I can use any characters I wish to buy or even make in any style I want. My Death by Jelly animation would just not be the same without Nursoda's wonderful Doctor Pitterbill character. And this was the main reason I took the step of putting the video up on here as I wanted to start the debate.

Muvizu needs to provide this ability - they could even take a lead from Reallusion and sell it as a separate product thereby generating extra income.

But I think the reality is Muvizu will never be a money spinner unless they take the approach of making their money from assets and plugins. I don't think it ever was the plan; they originally hoped someone would buy up the software.

Thanks to everyone for their good wishes!
edited by toonarama on 20/05/2014
edited by toonarama on 21/05/2014]]> Tue, 20 May 2014 22:10:02 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic3611-death-by-jelly--scene-1-wip.aspx Message from primaveranz iClone6 is certainly the best bet for the immediate future, as Toonarama has recognised.]]> Tue, 20 May 2014 21:14:34 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic3611-death-by-jelly--scene-1-wip.aspx Message from urbanlamb
The other cases are cases of basicly the software got old and could not move forward for whatever reason.

Iclone survives because basically "if its 3d you can get it into iclone" so they have made it possible for it to be used for everything and the biggest advancements are in their 3d exchange system. They are working on iclone 6 now which will give us better and more modern direct x support but they are a huge company that saw mocap coming and added it quick among other things.

Muvizu has to change and adapt to move forward that is why they released that play + package and that is why they are working on that other render package. If the render package is successful it will impact the development of play + I am sure. Muvizu "regular" is probably at the end of its development cycle with the exception of some patches and making it compatible with new versions of windows etc etc. Play + has the same limitation and for it to do more needs to be recoded from what I am seeing, but ironically digimania is working on a third package. Also there is that project Bradley and the Bee which seems to be using this package to create it. So I am thinking that the woes of closed back end are probably going to be solved in part at least by their summer release. This is what my spidey sense tells me.

]]> Tue, 20 May 2014 20:56:38 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic3611-death-by-jelly--scene-1-wip.aspx Message from Harb40
Some modders have produced excellent addons which keep the program interesting while the MS staff trudge along. In fact, one of the former staffers actually started modding while still on staff and continues to create fabulous addons today long after he left.

Every program out there has it's high points and it's drawbacks including iClone. Some have gone the way of the transistor radio while others are trying to adapt. Slowly they are working to keep us with choices to help our creative juices flowing. The modding communities have always been central to keeping the programs going. Even though Lionhead Studios stopped support of The Movies years ago, the modding community has keep it a program of choice for many people and new users are finding it every day. The modding community has helped Moviestorm thrive (well, survive is a better word) and Reallusion encourages people to make their own content.

Muvizu is going through the same pains as all the rest. Are they doing it well enough to keep their users happy? Only time will tell.]]> Tue, 20 May 2014 20:22:04 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic3611-death-by-jelly--scene-1-wip.aspx Message from urbanlamb mysto wrote:

I feel your pain toonarama and I agree with you, Dreeko and others thoughts about the situation. I still support the Muvizu team and have "high hopes" for the future of the software but it's getting increasingly difficult to keep waiting for something to happen.

I'm still using Muvizu to create animations but I too have been spending a bit of my animation time on the "dark side".

I enjoy muvizu as well but as others have said and done in many cases and I know of a few conversations I have had over the last year that some of the rigidity is frustrating. (for me as well) I have in the last year or so spent way more money then I would like to admit on that "iclone thing" there

I continue to work away at my iclone pipeline stuff and enjoy it. I keep my eye on muvizu and every once and awhile come up with something that I can do in muvizu without getting frustrated and so I do it. For the most part though I have with even that superman series hit a wall some of the scenes I want to do (i dont want to skip any episodes because it cannot be done inside muvizu) so I have had to on the last episode decide what i want to do. I have for the moment just canned that series I dont want to move it to iclone i feel somehow that it would be not a good thing and have started to work towards another project. (as I do love the radio shows and old stuff and to somehow make it relevant to today it gives it new life in my opinion) which I wont be doing seriously until the fall as you know my winter cabin fever .. i will be outsdie in nature when not working so i do very little in the summer that way.

I had some grandiose plans but they are not doable in muvizu so I will do them elsewhere. I want to see digimania/muvizu succeed so keep checking on things. However the closed muvizu system although fun has limited application.

So we shall see where they go from here. I am hoping their summer release package will solve all my present woes

edited by urbanlamb on 20/05/2014]]> Tue, 20 May 2014 19:06:01 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic3611-death-by-jelly--scene-1-wip.aspx Message from primaveranz Dreeko wrote:

Throw the dog a bone for God's sake!

]]> Tue, 20 May 2014 03:05:08 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic3611-death-by-jelly--scene-1-wip.aspx Message from InsaneHamster
Sure you can make a video in no time but in the end your in the same boat you was in before you found Muvizu. You have to make your own assets or have someone else make them for you and do more work a-rounds then you would in blender or maya. So by the time your done you could make a more thearitical film in another program with all the work one puts in for a few minutes of Muvizu.

Hopefully HQ will see these comments and let everyone know we are not forgotten.

Hate to see you go Toonarama and hopefully we will see you back soon. Stay in touch Toast

]]> Tue, 20 May 2014 02:24:41 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic3611-death-by-jelly--scene-1-wip.aspx Message from Dreeko
Muvizu previously used to be updated regularly which kept the users who had pushed it's boundaries hooked with the optimistic belief that "this time they will have put that feature in" or "corrected that problem" we used to gather in a crowd waiting for the white smoke to rise from the chimney signifying the release of a new version...

Unfortunately it looks like the regular faces in the crowds are becoming less and less as the wait turns to doubt as to whether the Muvizu smoke will ever rise again.

Muvizu HQ,
The users need actual info about what the plan for Muvizu is.
Give us a sign!

Throw the dog a bone for God's sake!

D
edited by Dreeko on 19/05/2014]]> Mon, 19 May 2014 22:37:53 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic3611-death-by-jelly--scene-1-wip.aspx Message from toonarama So we have a lot of the most experienced and loyal users feeling frustrated and perhaps disappointed. Not a great situation.
But the new render engine is now due out "summer 2014" according to the Digimania site so I can't see anything happening with Muvizu with that so close.

Would be great to be proved wrong.]]> Mon, 19 May 2014 22:00:14 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic3611-death-by-jelly--scene-1-wip.aspx Message from mysto
I'm still using Muvizu to create animations but I too have been spending a bit of my animation time on the "dark side".]]> Mon, 19 May 2014 21:03:37 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic3611-death-by-jelly--scene-1-wip.aspx Message from toonarama Dreeko wrote:

I guess everyone reaches the stage with Muvizu where the frustrations at having to overcome (or workaround) the simplest of tasks repeatedly becomes too tedious to be pleasurable.

Exactly how I feel - and when a major (movement) bug is added to the mix this exacerbates the issue.

Dreeko wrote:

Hopefully the main problem features will be addressed whenever the next version appears. When that will be, no one knows.

And this just adds to the frustration - no indication of what a future release will hold and no indication of a release date. It's not the best way of attracting new customers or holding onto existing ones.

It's bad enough having to support a football team which appears to be being led down a blind alley (I'll let you guess which one) without my favourite hobby going that way too!]]> Mon, 19 May 2014 19:34:25 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic3611-death-by-jelly--scene-1-wip.aspx Message from Dreeko
I guess everyone reaches the stage with Muvizu where the frustrations at having to overcome (or workaround) the simplest of tasks repeatedly becomes too tedious to be pleasurable.

Hopefully the main problem features will be addressed whenever the next version appears.

When that will be, no one knows.

Hope you enjoy the dark side. Let us know how you get on.

D]]> Mon, 19 May 2014 16:11:39 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic3611-death-by-jelly--scene-1-wip.aspx Message from WarLord Mon, 19 May 2014 01:20:51 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic3611-death-by-jelly--scene-1-wip.aspx Message from Harb40
Yeah, iClone can be tricky sometimes with movements. A great start though.]]> Sun, 18 May 2014 23:00:48 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic3611-death-by-jelly--scene-1-wip.aspx Message from fazz68 ]]> Sun, 18 May 2014 22:36:01 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic3611-death-by-jelly--scene-1-wip.aspx Message from toonarama
Each animation I do in Muvizu garners less enthusiasm than the last and I'm not surprised because they all end up looking the same.

I haven't got the expertise or will to spend time developing the sets and textures to give my animation some originality.

Someone will no doubt (Dreeko!) say that it's the story that counts and they'd be right but an original look and a chance to do something a bit different with the animations can cover up some of the shortcomings in that area.

Muvizu has been great for me but new features and an end to it's insularity are desperately needed.

Perhaps they are on the way, but I have given up trying to illicit information from The Glasgow Kremlin!
edited by toonarama on 18/05/2014]]> Sun, 18 May 2014 17:53:51 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic3611-death-by-jelly--scene-1-wip.aspx Message from ziggy72 Sun, 18 May 2014 16:12:55 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic3611-death-by-jelly--scene-1-wip.aspx Message from toonarama
I hope to be back when we have a version of Muvizu which either allows motions and characters to be imported and/or edited or more character/motions are made available.

But for now; thank you to everyone for your support, assistance and friendship over the years.
edited by toonarama on 18/05/2014]]> Sun, 18 May 2014 15:48:08 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic3611-death-by-jelly--scene-1-wip.aspx Message from urbanlamb

Now faces.... I over do faces often

]]> Sat, 17 May 2014 19:25:02 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic3611-death-by-jelly--scene-1-wip.aspx Message from toonarama
I'd like to be able to blame a birth defect or an unfortunate lab accident but in reality I have probably been a bit slapdash (not for the first time). Each bone in the hand can be moved or rotated individually and I've probably tried to be a bit too clever for my own good and messed things up when using stock gestures would have sufficed.

Thank you for taking the time to comment.]]> Sat, 17 May 2014 14:19:17 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic3611-death-by-jelly--scene-1-wip.aspx Message from ziggy72 ]]> Fri, 16 May 2014 20:56:47 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic3611-death-by-jelly--scene-1-wip.aspx Message from fman00
Mind you, I'm not sure about being Mr 00. Would that make me Mr Zero or Mr ooo! ?

Mark.]]> Thu, 15 May 2014 22:43:00 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic3611-death-by-jelly--scene-1-wip.aspx Message from toonarama
That is exactly the sort of feedback I am after.

I'm lazy so i'm not very good at refining things too much so it is good to know the bits I really cn't get away with.

Thank you very much for taking the time to provide comments.

Much appreciated.

mick]]> Thu, 15 May 2014 08:46:06 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic3611-death-by-jelly--scene-1-wip.aspx Message from fman00
Your cartoon really does look superb. The voice acting/lighting/look of the cartoon are spot on. Very professional and slick.
Looking foward to seeing the finished article.]]> Thu, 15 May 2014 01:01:08 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic3611-death-by-jelly--scene-1-wip.aspx Message from InsaneHamster
First, let me begin with You have my interested peaked.

You created a nice mood and the music added to the feel.

Good lighting especially with the glow from the ectoplasm.

I have to say that the voice and the character, mesh well together.

some nice camera angles and cuts

My thoughts on what can be better.

A couple of times the pause between action was too long. especially when he was holding up his hands and such around :50 seconds

At 1:11 hands and arms was in a very unnatural state. looked very odd.

I hope I have helped]]> Wed, 14 May 2014 02:02:14 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic3611-death-by-jelly--scene-1-wip.aspx Message from toonarama

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