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18/04/2016 00:49:48

MovieFrog
MovieFrog
Posts: 10 		I'm making a film on Muvizu based on a friend's script. Can someone please make two scenes - one in which tons of Fembots are in space flying to Earth (preferably in two different camera angles) and another where tons of Fembots are coming down to Earth from the sky - for me? I'd greatly appreciate it. Thanks!
edited by MovieFrog on 18/04/2016
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18/04/2016 03:41:16

PatMarrNCMuvizu mogul
PatMarrNC
Posts: 1738 		MovieFrog wrote:
I'm making a film on Muvizu based on a friend's script. Can someone please make two scenes - one in which tons of Fembots are in space flying to Earth (preferably in two different camera angles) and another where tons of Fembots are coming down to Earth from the sky - for me? I'd greatly appreciate it. Thanks!
edited by MovieFrog on 18/04/2016


Hi MovieFrog! Sounds like an interesting project! I guess the obvious first question is: why don't you want to make those scenes yourself? Would you prefer for somebody to talk you through it instead of doing it for you?
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18/04/2016 20:09:44

MovieFrog
MovieFrog
Posts: 10 		PatMarrNC wrote:
MovieFrog wrote:
I'm making a film on Muvizu based on a friend's script. Can someone please make two scenes - one in which tons of Fembots are in space flying to Earth (preferably in two different camera angles) and another where tons of Fembots are coming down to Earth from the sky - for me? I'd greatly appreciate it. Thanks!
edited by MovieFrog on 18/04/2016


Hi MovieFrog! Sounds like an interesting project! I guess the obvious first question is: why don't you want to make those scenes yourself? Would you prefer for somebody to talk you through it instead of doing it for you?


The person who wrote the script said he wants it to look like thousands of Fembots, but my computer isn't very good and Muvizu crashes every time I try to make the scenes.
edited by MovieFrog on 18/04/2016
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18/04/2016 21:06:24

PatMarrNCMuvizu mogul
PatMarrNC
Posts: 1738 		yeah, I'm afraid that adding thousands of fembots to a scene is going to crash everybody's machine. Time to talk about workarounds I think.

a few ideas off the top of my head:

1) create a scene with a handful of fembots (as many as your computer can handle) and export it to video with a green screen background
2) when you get to the production stage where you're working in your video editor, put multiple copies of your fembot scene on different video tracks. Use the video editor's arranging power to reduce the size of each clip and start filling up the screen with them until it looks like thousands

another approach might be to start with the small scene of fembots and take a screen shot from whatever angle you want...

then open the screen shot in a photo editor and copy paste resize until you have a 2d graphic filled with fembots..

then in Muvizu, load that graphic as a texture in a backdrop, and set the animation to make it look like they are moving

Others will have ideas that are probably better than these, but I think its safe to say that nobody here is going to be able to load up thousands of characters in one scene. I had a scene with about 50 characters and it slowed me down to the point that I had to abandon the scene in order to complete the project
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18/04/2016 22:36:11

urbanlamb
urbanlamb
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Posts: 1786 		you need to green screen this sort of scene this is how its done make a couple of sets and then use compositing to fill them out and duplicate them.
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18/04/2016 23:29:49

bigwallyMuvizu mogulExperimental user
bigwally
Posts: 399 		Unfortunately, the mirror effect using a background panel is broken, otherwise I imagine you could have done something similar to what I did in this video...



I never used more than 6 robot models at any time.
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19/04/2016 00:30:52

PatMarrNCMuvizu mogul
PatMarrNC
Posts: 1738 		bigwally wrote:
Unfortunately, the mirror effect using a background panel is broken, otherwise I imagine you could have done something similar to what I did in this video...

I never used more than 6 robot models at any time.


Wow! That's extremely clever Wally! Let's see if I understand what you did:
1) You lined up your 6 bots...
2) you put a backdrop behind them...
3) you pointed a camera at the bots and at the backdrop behind the bots...
4) you set the backdrop to use the output from the camera as its texture...
5) and because the camera was capturing a mirror image of itself, it has the effect of a hall of mirrors... correct?

And FWIW, that isn't totally broken in the current version... the only part that doesn't work is the menu text where you select the camera... for some reason a text description of the camera doesn't show up as an option.. BUT... if you go ahead and click where the menu option would normally show up... IT WORKS! (the only thing missing is the text... but the link itself is there, even though its invisible)
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19/04/2016 00:38:29

PatMarrNCMuvizu mogul
PatMarrNC
Posts: 1738 		urbanlamb wrote:
you need to green screen this sort of scene this is how its done make a couple of sets and then use compositing to fill them out and duplicate them.


What she said! ^^^^^
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19/04/2016 01:06:00

bigwallyMuvizu mogulExperimental user
bigwally
Posts: 399 		PatMarrNC wrote:

Wow! That's extremely clever Wally! Let's see if I understand what you did:
1) You lined up your 6 bots...
2) you put a backdrop behind them...
3) you pointed a camera at the bots and at the backdrop behind the bots...
4) you set the backdrop to use the output from the camera as its texture...
5) and because the camera was capturing a mirror image of itself, it has the effect of a hall of mirrors... correct?


Bingo!Thumbs Up


PatMarrNC wrote:
And FWIW, that isn't totally broken in the current version... the only part that doesn't work is the menu text where you select the camera... for some reason a text description of the camera doesn't show up as an option.. BUT... if you go ahead and click where the menu option would normally show up... IT WORKS! (the only thing missing is the text... but the link itself is there, even though its invisible)


Thanks for the tip. I suspected that, somewhat, especially when an old saved set (using the mirror effect) still works on the latest version.
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19/04/2016 01:14:05

PatMarrNCMuvizu mogul
PatMarrNC
Posts: 1738
Thanks for the tip. I suspected that, somewhat, especially when an old saved set (using the mirror effect) still works on the latest version.


I figured a veteran like you already knew that, but I mentioned it for the sake of the person who wrote the original post... he may want to try that himself.. it's such a great idea, and something that can be done completely in the Muvizu environment without any video editing sorcery!
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19/04/2016 03:24:46

MovieFrog
MovieFrog
Posts: 10 		Great idea! Thanks, I'll try it!

EDIT: Worked perfectly! Thank you all a bunch!
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19/04/2016 05:53:22

PatMarrNCMuvizu mogul
PatMarrNC
Posts: 1738 		MovieFrog wrote:
Great idea! Thanks, I'll try it!

EDIT: Worked perfectly! Thank you all a bunch!
edited by MovieFrog on 19/04/2016


Awesome!

Hats off to Urban Lamb and Big Wally for each offering great workable ideas for solving this problem! And another hats off to Movie frog for taking the ideas and making them work!

I love it!
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19/04/2016 14:50:30

urbanlamb
urbanlamb
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Posts: 1786 		lol just remember crowd scenes like this are always about visual trickery. Even in big movies. They take a few varied shots and use visual trickery to replicate and duplicate things to fill them out. They dont really ever have 1000+ actual actors in these mob/crowd scenes. They have 10 -20 max and switch them around and then use software to duplicate what they recorded. So always keep this in mind with muvizu or anything.
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19/04/2016 17:08:10

PatMarrNCMuvizu mogul
PatMarrNC
Posts: 1738 		bigwally wrote:
Unfortunately, the mirror effect using a background panel is broken, otherwise I imagine you could have done something similar to what I did in this video...



I never used more than 6 robot models at any time.


Hey Wally, I had never seen this before... Mind if I review it? I find that analyzing why other people's work appeals to me helps to create structural guide lines that I can draw on for my own projects.

here's so much to like about this.. where to begin...?

1) When I tried to duplicate your example of using a few characters to simulate many, I noticed there was a "frame" around each of the reflections ( which is apparently the color variance in the BG between each of the reflected views)... but your video does not have that. Can you elaborate on what you may have done to isolate the characters?

2) I really like all the miscellaneous "electrical artifacts" you've added, such as static, the look of an old TV when it's between channels, the sound of an old radio when i's being "dialed in" (you're dating yourself here, my friend... younger people might not have ever hears a tube radio being "dialed in" or a CRT television with poor antenna reception!) ... but anyway, those are interesting additions that help to establish the mood you are building for the video...

3) I like the way you superimpose the vocalist-bot at the 0:35 marker... was that done in Muvizu by placing him in front of the backdrop containing all the other bots? Or was it done in your video editor?

4) At the 0:52 marker when the robots start dancing, great job on getting it all synchronized! I know you only had to get the first 6 right, but still you took the time to do it and the end result is very impressive!

5) You used a spiral away effect in which the character rotates around the screen and gets smaller... I'm guessing that was done in your video editor.. can you say more about that? I like the way it draws the eye, and it works quite well in this application. I guess what I want to know is the name of your editor and/or compositing software and the name of the effect used (so I can see if I have something similar so I can shamelessly steal your cool idea) ;-)

6) at the 1:22 marker you introduce guitars/hands with the rest of the animation masked out... then you copied it 4 times... very cool! I would definitely like to hear more about how you accomplished this little bit of sorcery! That's a very creative alternative to simply showing a character playing the instrument Especially when you combine it with that cool spiral background, providing a kaleidoscope effect

7) at the 2:16 marker you introduce a string of flying robots which I'm guessing were created with the same "hall of mirrors" trick discussed in your previous message. But again, I am impressed with the clarity and the way you have managed to mask out everything but the robots. Did you by any chance save to individual frames and edit each frame individually in a graphics editor? If so, wow.. you're a more patient man than I am!

8) Same question at the 2:27 marker when robots start dropping from the skies! Such clarity! Very impressive! I really like the way you have kept this fresh by constantly changing the action, while simultaneously keeping the theme constant!

9) at 2:57 I like the way the background blurs and divides so the singer-bot can pass thru... where do you come up with these transitional ideas? It's off the charts creative, and you do it all so well!

10) at the 3:08 marker the background morphs into a space scene... I take it that's an AVI texture... but I'm curious to know where it came from. Is it something you created, found online, got from a royalty free site...? Wherever you got it, it is perfect for your application!

11) and last but not least I want to comment of the addition of your own watermark in the bottom right corner! VERY cool idea!

In summary, I like that you took the standard music video concept and introduced a variety of ways to make it more interesting! I like the variety of production techniques you used to create scenes that really sparkle, and which require special skill and understanding of the software in order to be possible at all! And best of all... you shared it!

Very cool! I need to spend more time watching the gurus' videos. They are inspiring!
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22/04/2016 05:46:03

Rocque
Rocque
Posts: 359 		I have not been in the forum for a few days and there are some great new topics. The video here was incredible. It makes me embarrassed with what my feeble attempt is turning out to be. There is so much to learn to create the types of animations I am seeing. I am following this to see what sort of answers that PatMarNC gets to his questions.

Maybe one day I will experiment with some of these things. It would be fun to make better animations. Thanks for sharing everyone.
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